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Yesterday, a group of feminists at the University of Toronto staged a protest against a speech by Warren Farrell, a prominent men’s rights activist. The speech is said to have been focussed on men’s issues (suicide, poor education, etc.), but the protesters believe the very presence of Warren promotes hate speech, rape culture, and sexism. So they called for it to be shut down and Warren to be removed.

I take issue with this protest.

First, the speech is about men’s issues, plain and simple. The whole idea that this speech should be halted simply because the speaker is a “sexist” is one large fallacious ad hominem attack. These are serious issues; 3x higher suicide rate, 1/3 likelihood of attending university, and 94% of workplace deaths are things we need to take seriously and it’s foolish to ignore them simply because the person telling us about them is someone you don’t like.

Jesus, it’s Movember, the month we’re supposed to focus on men’s issues. The guy behind the podium was even sporting a new moustache, I’ll assume in support of the month. Yet he’s leading the charge against the speech.

Next, I hate living in a country where people think it’s just to order someone to be silent. I’m all for people exercising their right to disagree, even loudly. But “off our campus” is nonsense. Let him speak! And in the meantime, say why he’s wrong. Gather in disagreement, not in censorship. This is not how the marketplace of ideas is fuelled.

What these protesters are basically saying is “Your right to speak, ends at my feelings” and it infuriates me.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t take issue with protesting. Like I said, I’m all for them gathering, shouting their disagreements, and waving signs around. It’s the fact that they think they’re right to order Warren off campus that cheeses me off. And while I think their protest was bogus, I don’t think the cops were justified in manhandling them (no pun intended). What I saw there was excessive.

Anyway, I think this is idiotic; it’s not how discussions are held and no one will ever listen to you when you’re the one telling everyone you don’t like to “shush!”. Our laws in Canada concerning speech basically say “You are free to be nice” and it’s infecting our culture. I wish protests would go back to being against injustice, instead of protests being unjust.

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    • John Adam Ziolkowski
    • Posted November 18, 2012 at 2:41 AM
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    Hey, I was at the university, trying to get into the talk, and would just like to point out that protesting is one thing, but there were many people there that linked arms and formed a wall, disallowing any of us from getting inside. The talk was delayed by over an hour, and once it finally started, the audience was much thinner than expected, as many people gave up and left when the protesters started attacking people.

    I’m glad the cops were there, because if they hadn’t broken up the fights, things could have gotten really ugly. Standing within a circle of 100 screaming and chanting people is terrifying, to say the least. I definitely don’t think they appreciate the irony of them using numbers and strength to intimidate the quiet few of us who are trying to discus gender issues in a civil way.

    • Interesting. I appreciate hearing from someone who was there. I had a hard time finding out if it really was violent, which is why I said “what I saw there…”, meaning I’m going off of what little I have.

      In that case that makes this protest all the more aggravating to hear about; people violently calling for the censorship of civil discussion.

      Good on the cops, then. And of course many of the protesters have taken to twitter to deem themselves the victims of “Ford’s Stormtroopers”. It’s kind of pitiful and scary at the same time, the level of doublethink these people suffer from.

    • Here’s my rant………
      As a typical apologetic Canadian I must apologize deeply for the appalling behavior of my fellow Canadians last weekend in Toronto. The terrorist behavior proved to the world that Canada is plagued by violent intolerant bigoted criminal gangs like Hitler’s brown shirts and the equivalent fascist black shirts in England. The rioters are gangs of demented thugs cruising thru society looking to beat the living crap out of anyone not of their political ilk so everyone is terrified to have a different view than these dangerous psycho oppressors.
      Please forgive me for the length of this note as I attempt to wrap my head around this complex and draconian issue. Misandry is fairly new to me. Upon discovering this issue my conscious and lack of knowledge compelled me to research misandry further. What I have found is that misandry forms the central pillar of Canadian social control programs (SCPs). I compared SCPs from other countries to ours. The strongest comparison was Hitler’s SCP of anti-Semitism as is described in his book Mein Kampf, My Struggle, in which he dehumanizes the targets of his SCP.
      The naive acceptance of such demented social values is exactly what my relatives reported they saw in Europe leading up to WW2. Millions died fighting against these values and many millions more suffered from the atrocities caused by accepting these values because societies just let such great evil happen. Misandrists in Canada often take pride in being labeled as Nazis as this acknowledges the heightened level of their absolute power in Canadian society, along with their commensurate elite social status, state funding and privileges.
      The inflammatory labels Hitler branded the future human sacrifices of his SCP, Jews in this case, are virtually identical to the language used by misandrists in Canada. Use of such language is deemed as hate crimes in Canada. That is unless it is used against men like it was used against Jews in Germany in a strategy to demonize, dehumanize and persecute humans like animals. Based on historical comparisons, such as with McCarthyism, the Soviet Union’s Gulags and Canadian aboriginal residential school SCPs, to name a few, it is clear that the fate of current Canadian SCP victims is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. Clearly the persecution stage is far from being stamped out and is just about to really get started.
      The criminal justice system is littered with wrongfully accused cases involving men, like David Milgaard, and virtually none involving women. These state sponsored atrocities increasingly plague our entirely corrupt Kleptocratic Canadian criminal justice system. The hate propaganda spewed by misandrists in Canada mirrors Hitler’s view that “I see no reason why man should not be as cruel to man as nature is”.
      The latter quotation defines the values of the Canadian criminal justice system. Men are routinely wrongfully and knowingly accused with the male innocents then being subjected to planned obscene human rights atrocities committed by our criminal justice system. These usually mild mannered meek innocents are routinely beaten, raped, etc. at the behest of the system. Studies have proven that sex accusations against men are false anywhere from 25% to 75% of the time. Requiring mandatory use of witness lie detector tests helps to address this problem. The Milgaard case and many others have brought this fact to light.
      An exploding industry is the growth of the wrongly accused business. Lawyers and human rights groups attempt to come to grips with the system’s growing widespread atrocities that are blatant, extreme, and fraudulent systemic fabrications of fictional crimes. These state sponsored and orchestrated atrocities are created to feed a steady supply of innocent victims into the system. These victims are human sacrifices that are abused in order to steal increasingly large amounts of society’s resources to profit the criminal justice system cronies and their ilk. This increasing and reckless spending occurs at a time when statistics prove that crime is declining significantly.

      Misandry corruption has led to the establishment of a wealthy and well-entrenched Canadian kleptocracy for feminist special interest groups and other misandrists funded and/or enabled by the state, such as the criminal justice system. Kleptocracy, “rule by thieves”, is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. The corrupt Canadian criminal justice system and misandrists make no pretense of being remotely honest.
      My relatives said the same thing happened in Europe with Germany’s entirely corrupted people’s court. Also, special interest groups of the day drove home their complete disregard for honesty. The brown and black shirts did it violently. The Nazi funded English pledge for peace groups refused to pass judgement on Hitler’s atrocities in Germany and elsewhere, such as in neighboring Czechoslovakia. Crimes which England actually condoned initially under Chamberlain. The English pledge for peace movement’s brainwashing delayed intervening to stop Hitler’s atrocities until he was well positioned to wage war. The results were the addition of years of war and unimaginable human suffering.
      Those who attacked Warren’s presentation in Toronto last weekend were state sponsored terrorists for whom honesty is completely irrelevant. Promulgating male truths by Warren, no matter how unassociated with misandry and feminism, may eventually compromise the misandrist’s Kleptocratic status and benefits. Many sex charge related cases are fabricated and kleptocratic as Milgaard found where the Crown witnesses were paid to lie. I would be very surprised to hear anything other than that the authorities such as the university, government special interest funding departments, criminal justice system, etc., all condoned and enabled the behavior to date by ensuring that their terrorist acts go consequence free. So far my suspicions have been confirmed.
      My grandparents left Europe after WW1 because they believed that those in charge would make war all over again in their lifetime. Sadly, they were correct. By those in charge they meant the wealthy and powerful that created Hitler. Gramps meant the tycoons and politicians such as the Henry Fords, DuPonts, Krupps, JP Gettys, IBMs, King of England, etc that were bestowed the highest medal Nazi Germany could bestow. Hitler personally awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle upon these monsters. This made the Olympic gold medals Jessie Owens won in Germany under Hitler’s psychotic glare incredibly special to the world and history.
      My gramps and others believed that war was highly profitable for such tycoons who were personally responsible for the war crimes and related unimaginable suffering. The same applies in our current Canadian society with regards to the obvious links between misandry SCPs and kleptocracy beneficiaries.

      In terms of explaining why our Canadian society has embraced misandry en masse, I found understanding from the book: On fighting, killing, and dying : the secret World War II transcripts of German POWs by author Neitzel, Sönke. This explains how Germany’s normal families, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. became blood thirsty zombie butchers as a result of Hitler’s SCPs. Canada has adopted the same SCPs standard with misandry replacing Hitler’s anti-Semitism and anti-anyone not Aryan. At this point I have read a summary of this book and hope to read it all when it becomes available from the local library.
      Also, Bardach, a Polish Jew who experienced Stalin’s Gulags, provides insights as well into the Soviet Union’s SCPs in his book Man is Wolf to Man. He explains how about 90% of inmates, almost all of which were men, were ”political” prisoners and only 10% of the entire Gulag population were actually criminals. The latter were put in charge of the gulags and ran them. Bardach and other authors like Solzhenitsyn explain how people close to the innocents sold them into the Gulags which were slave death camps. Spouses, children, co-workers, neighbors community leaders, etc. all conspired to enslave innocents for the Gulag quotas.

      In Canada evidence that we live in a kleptocracy is all around us. The innocents projects in Canada abound for the wrongfully accused by the criminal justice system. The latter vacuums up wealth greedily. Just south of Canada lies the greatest kleptocracy on the planet. E.g. The U.S. financial crisis with trillions of dollars having been stolen in the form of added government debt and the resulting loss of the population’s assets is an atrocity. The kleptocracy’s solution was to punish the victims and reward the criminals by stealing trillions of increased debt that was then accessed by the financial institutions that had perpetrated the crimes and hardships. Crime really does pay, in trillions! The U.S. has 25% of the world’s prison inmates and only 5% of world population (Reverend Pat Robertson), widespread use of prisoners as slave labour (CNBC), more military spending than the total spent by the rest of the developed worl combined on military, etc. All the while unemployment is rampant, infrastructure is collapsing, pensions are inadequate, nearly 50 million Americans regularly go hungry, a failed education system with the lowest SAT scores in 40 years, etc. Canada has many severe issues to deal with as well stemming from our extensive kleptocracy which is maintained and expanded through oppressive social control programs such as misandry.
      The psychotic violent mob at Warren’s presentation in Toronto recently is the same ilk as the German brown shirt gangs attacking Jews and anyone else that may be any threat, or just propose a different view, to Hitler’s sadistic values. Hitler’s anti-Semitism standard is alive and prospering in Canada in the form of misandry. Both Hitler’s and Canada’s social control programs (SCPs) have the same dehumanizing and demented characteristics that are very well and extensively documented.
      My gramps felt that the war could have been minimized and possibly even completely averted if the insanity of the times had been simply replaced with common sense and the will to actively value human rights from the outset. The English social control program called pledge for peace needed to be brought to task for enabling Hitler’s atrocities. The English black shirt hoodlums that participated in the same fashion as those attacking Warren’s presentation in Toronto in November 2012 should have been branded as the terrorists they were and dealt with accordingly. This was the type of intervention advice I received from those who lived through those desperate suffering times.
      “Those who don’t know history are destined to repeat it.”Edmund Burke
      “The spectacle (McCarthyism) is one we would expect in a totalitarian nation where the rights of the individual are crushed beneath the juggernaut of statism and oppression; it has no place in America where government exists to serve people, not to destroy them” President Harry S. Truman.
      “You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” Winston Churchill.

  1. I get the impression that the youth today needs something to fight for. Back in the day teenagers were drafted to war to fight for something they believed in, or like the student strikes in France in 1968. Today, the things that are worth fighting for are very subtle, sometimes, completely hidden.

    Feminists don’t have that much to fight for nowadays, unlike the feminists prior to the civil rights acts and gender discrimination acts. Nonetheless, they insist on being subversive for the sake of controversy and so they can tell their kids and grandkids that they fought for something they believed in (even though its wrong). I’m so happy I live in Europe. Sure, there are feminists here but not the brainwashed women’s studies graduates that spew nonsense during every waking hour.

    • Well feminists certainly have things to fight for. Women in the middle east would be a start. Instead of labelling the Birkenhead Drill as oppression, perhaps they should focus a little more on Saudi women getting acid thrown in their faces for attempting to read. THAT is something they could be proud to protest; I would be behind them every step of the way if that were the case. But sadly, it isn’t. Instead it’s human barricades outside speeches about the ails men suffer.

      • I was focusing on westernized modern countries. You are right though – the way women are treated in other cultures is beyond belief – and the worst is – most women living in those cultures don’t see what’s wrong. They are so emerged in these archaic and traditional practices that they don’t believe there are working alternatives to the way they live.

        Unfortunately, if European and American feminists focused their energies on the East, that would be assuming that they have solved their problems in the West and are ready to devote their time to international women, which is something they would never admit.

  2. I think you people ought to know a bit more about Mr. Farrell before arguing in support of a “civil discussion” led by him. His views on incest, for instance, are quite something: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/farrell.htm

    • Nope, nothing has changed. He has to right to believe whatever he wants about incest. His speech was not about incest, it was about men’s issues. What he may have said in the past does not warrant physically barricading people from listening to him speak. Especially since that speech isn’t hateful. It’s on a topic only a callous fool would ignore.

      Honestly, civil discussion is civil discussion. The whole point is for people to freely express their views, and let those views stand on their own damn merit. If Jeffrey Dahmer wanted to hold a speech about the crisis in Haiti, would you attempt to silence him because of his heinous track record? I should hope not, because the speaker doesn’t define the speech, the message does.

      These protesters need to take their shitty thought-policing elsewhere; it’s stinking up the place.

      • John Adam Ziolkowski
      • Posted November 19, 2012 at 1:03 AM
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      While I agree that what is written there is pretty messed up, it isn’t really relevant to the discussion at hand. Warren Farrell did indeed hold a civil discussion. His views on incest, nor anyone’s, were not on trial here. He answered all questions that were asked of him. If the people outside were willing to actually talk to him about his views, then they can be brought into question, but instead people decided to censor him and us from being able to talk.

      A conversation is what we wanted, and a conversation is what we got. Linking arms and forming a blockade is not joining in on the conversation – it is wrong, and it is illegal.


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